tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155853741712764167.post7402902213876927427..comments2024-02-01T23:41:43.069-05:00Comments on Out of the Past: You Otto See It: Angel Face (1953)Raquel Stecherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02687110907002450794noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155853741712764167.post-4605097123986282772008-10-01T18:08:00.000-04:002008-10-01T18:08:00.000-04:00Brad - Oh I completely agree. Mary definitely reco...Brad - Oh I completely agree. Mary definitely recognized that she had no hold on Frank. Especially since he had that other "sack" to go to.Raquel Stecherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687110907002450794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155853741712764167.post-86257343168159412582008-10-01T07:52:00.000-04:002008-10-01T07:52:00.000-04:00My interpretation of Mary's comment, and I of cour...My interpretation of Mary's comment, and I of course would defer to a woman's opinion, is that Mary realizes that she has no hold if Frank doesn't want her to. Mary is already recognizing that Frank may be slipping away. A cynic might say that Mary is saying, "if you are the type of woman he wants, good riddance." But that is just my opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155853741712764167.post-3961729010111535942008-09-30T18:16:00.000-04:002008-09-30T18:16:00.000-04:00Ginger - I have seen Simmons in various things but...Ginger - I have seen Simmons in various things but she didn't stand out until this one. I'm really looking forward to Man With a Golden Arm!!!<BR/><BR/>Brad - Thanks for your input. It's much appreciated. I do have to defer to something Mary said. When Mary and Diane met, she told Diane that she had no hold over Frank. If they were steady, why would she say that? Maybe she wanted to have him all to herself (and rightly so!!!), but knew that it was up to him. Anyways, thanks for stopping by!Raquel Stecherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02687110907002450794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155853741712764167.post-53840522485227916622008-09-30T13:32:00.000-04:002008-09-30T13:32:00.000-04:00Allow me to respond to your assumptions regarding ...Allow me to respond to your assumptions regarding relationships in the 50s. I am not quite old enough to have experienced it first hand, but my parents were as well as their friends. In those days it was in fact far more expected that a steady relationship would be exclusive. That is what puts the sting in Mary's comment. She is saying that she knows who Frank was with and that they were in the sack only because of Diane's apparent low moral charcter. Mary is saying she won't stand for that.<BR/><BR/>When you see contrary behavior in movies from that era, they are trying to shock you. They are saying, "see what a slut this woman is?" Of course, such a statement is hypocritical and exhibits a double standard. While my description of the expectations is accurate above, real people didn't live up to those expectations at all times. But they certainly went to great lengths to appear that they did.<BR/><BR/>As to the movie, I enjoy it more than you apparently did. It is something of a freak show, similar to Leave Her to Heaven, or Fatal Attraction. People were not accustomed to seeing women bahave in such a vicious manner. And the sympathy is clearly with Mitchum. See what happens when a poor sap is unable to control himself? The temptation leads him to destruction. Of course, there is a misogynistic and hypocritical message there, too. But that is a reflection of the times.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6155853741712764167.post-68428730335492477642008-09-30T08:20:00.000-04:002008-09-30T08:20:00.000-04:00I haven't seen this one yet...I like Jean Simmons,...I haven't seen this one yet...I like Jean Simmons, though. And Preminger of course.<BR/><BR/>Which film of his are you looking forward to most? :)Ginger Ingenuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06904339551806493214noreply@blogger.com